Lets get some General footy chat going!

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Post 1 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Tuesday, 17-May-2005 16:20:25

So another exciting Premiership season draws to a close and Chelsea, like it or not, have bought there way to success. Though it could be argued limited success having fallen short in both the FA cup and the Champions league! The big question now though is how much more money will they throw at the problem with next season in mind?

I also want to hear from Liverpool fans on the question of whether they'll be allowed back into the champions league next season if they win it this season even though they missed out on that opportunity due to falling short in the league? If they were to win the European crown should they automatically have the right to defend it? Also should this be at the expense of Everton or should England be given 5 champions league places next season?

Feel free to chuck any other questions in here too! But only proper football. Not that American shit! lol

Post 2 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Tuesday, 17-May-2005 16:29:14

well, chelsey have bought some success it is true, but at what price. after all, now that the rest of the leagues know that chelsey will pay for what they want, will this not mean that the transfer fees/wage bills for any player who goes to chelsey will increase? I think there's a very real possibility that, next season, if chelsey want to buy a decent player, they will have to pay over the odds to get him.

As for liverpool and the champions league, I think absolutely that any team should automatically have the right to defend their title if they win it. I think that if Euefa won't give england a 5th place, then everton should forego the slot in favour of the defending champions.

Post 3 by Leeds United (Newborn Zoner) on Tuesday, 17-May-2005 16:39:27

Hi there, I've not written many opinions especially on football. Lets start with Chelsea, I mean with them being a team having so much money, it makes me wonder if they can have so much money and buy who they want, will many teams compete with them. I have this feeling that it’s going to be a much closer season next season. Even Liverpool will be in the major shake up at the end of the season I think. As for Liverpool not being in the champions league, they should be, I mean the team who can not defend their crown, well that is if they win it It would be kind of pointless havign it in the first place. I have another question to ask. What do people think about the take over of Manchester United. Do you think that a man should be aloud to just come in and take over a club like Manchester United. Especially with their history. I'm a Leeds United fan, so for me as they say "I'm loving it". Well there is my opinion, hope it was interesting!
Talk to you all soon!

Post 4 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Tuesday, 17-May-2005 16:43:50

yeah I absolutely feel that Malcolm Glazer had every right to take over man united. in fact I think it's fantastic. They have traded off the fact they're a PLC for so long it's sickening. The premiership has become far too much like a business venture and not enough about the game recently.

Post 5 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Tuesday, 17-May-2005 16:49:44

and leeds pity your team never made it back up, but sadly leeds are a tipicle example of what happens when someone throws money at a club and then leaves it in huge debt ... etc. if abromovicz loses interest in chelsey, that's exactly where they'll be headed as well in a few years. oh and southampton finally went down - it's been a few years coming.

Post 6 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Tuesday, 17-May-2005 17:33:57

The Everton question worries me a little though. I mean at the outset of the season we started with certain rules in place. One of those rules was that the top 4 sides in the table come seasons end would either; automatically qualify for the champions league the following season, Chelsea and Arsenal, this time round; or that they'd at least have the chance to qualify in play off's, Manchester United and Everton, as things currently stand. Would it really be right to now tell Everton, well done for doing what we asked of you in order to qualify for the champions league but we've changed our minds and are going to give the place to the side that finished below you?

As I understand the situation the FA won't do that anyway. So far as they're concerned finishing fourth means that you get the champions league place. So I guess we will now just have to wait and see what Uefa do if Liverpool should go on to win the tytle.

Post 7 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Tuesday, 17-May-2005 17:39:03

well that's a fair point so I guess in reality it comes down to the fact that, the rules are wrong. the condition should be top 3 and either 4th place or defending champion. but as that is not the case at the moment I guess we'll have to wait as you said and see what euefa decide.

Post 8 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Tuesday, 17-May-2005 18:26:27

I think that the trouble is that Liverpool have stumbled into a grey area and have caught everybody on the hop in the process! The truth of the matter is that this has only become an issue because of the fact that the potential winners of the competition haven't automatically qualified for the following season! Something which hasn't happened before. It seems to me though that the problem is a Uefa one though and not an FA one. Uefa have previously stated that one country can only have a maximum of four teams represented in the champions league. Having set that as a president the various football associations then have to determine how those sides will qualify from there respective leagues. In hinds site its clear that the one eventuality that Uefa didn't bargain on was what has now happened! Namely that a club that can still win the tournament has already failed to qualify from there league! This is why I say that it is a Uefa problem and not an FA one. Uefa now have to decide whether they will automatically qualify future winners of the cup straight back into the following seasons champions league regardless of league standing or not! Of course that in itself raises as many questions as it answers because lets say that Liverpool do go on to win the final and subsequently are invited to defend it next season, who is ultimately going to have to make way? Somebody is sure going to have to if that's how it eventually pans out.

In fact when you think about it there really is only one simple solution! A tennor says that everybody at Uefa HQ will be shouting for Inter come May 25! *grin*

Post 9 by laced-unlaced (Account disabled) on Wednesday, 18-May-2005 3:46:12

i'm a manchester united fan and it's really a shame that they don't win all the time.

but my friend supports chesia and he'll be pleased.

Post 10 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Wednesday, 18-May-2005 7:20:44

I think that if you win a title, you should have the right to defend it! only in football does this not happen. Greece will, for example, have to qualify for the european championships in 2008, even though they currently hold the title. and is that fair? I don't think so! Stargate as for saying that you'd like your team to win everything, I think that it's the fact that it's only certain teams who are winning the titles that are turning a lot of people off of the premiership. It's almost not a contest any more, the team with the most money will win, because they can buy the best players, and if not to put them in their squad, they can buy them purely to make sure no one else does.

Post 11 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Wednesday, 18-May-2005 15:52:43

That's a fare point Claire! the sad fact of the matter is that when you think about it! all the excitement this season was down at the bottom of the table come seasons end because by the final days play Chelsea had already romped away with the Premiership title! Arsenal had already finished second! For that matter both the third and fourth spots had already been decided too! In fact the only important question to be decided in the top half of the table was whether Middlesbrough or Man City would finish seventh and clame the last Uefa cup spot! The reality is that since the inseption of the Premiership only four teams have one the title! and of those sides only Blackburns win in the 95-96 season could have been said to be unpredictable! Areal pitty!

Ah well, like it or not, money talks!

Post 12 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Wednesday, 18-May-2005 15:56:41

it sure does, you've only gotta look at the 6 minutes of injury time given to chelsey/liverpool in the champions league semi final - but it didn't pay off though did it.

Post 13 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Wednesday, 18-May-2005 20:29:13

hehehehe agreed! Actually looking at that game I can see how the ref came up with 6 minutes of stoppage time but even so! I have seen plenty of other games where 5 or 6 minutes of added time should have been played yet curiously! there never seems to be more than 3! In fact in all the years I've watched footy, and that's more than 15 for the record! I've never seen that much time added on!

i did hear about an insident in argentina though where a referee actually added an extra 15 minutes to a league game until the team that was losing scored an equaliser! lol. you'll not be surprised to hear that he was banned from ever refereeing again after that!

Post 14 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 23-May-2005 11:22:56

well, cup final on Saturday - how boring ... and man united played the game and yet arsenal won it on penalties! And now man u have won nothing for the past two seasons! if he'd been at any other club he'd be out the door by now - wonder if Malcolm Glazer will get rid!

Post 15 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Monday, 23-May-2005 14:36:50

no i doubt it some how! after all firggy is a scot, and the scots are a notoriously frugal bunch where spending cash is concerned! just what glazer likes! *grin*

Post 16 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 23-May-2005 15:50:25

well, whilst I dislike man united intensely, and I think Alex Ferguson is a severely miserable individual, one can't fault the club for the amount of talent that has come up through the youth accadomy. Yeh they have bought in other players, but nowhere near like clubs such as Arsenal and Chelsey. I think that the rules should be changed to say that a certain percentage of the squad should be home grown talent, only a certain amount should be allowed to be foreigners, and there should be a wage cap.

Post 17 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Tuesday, 24-May-2005 15:51:29

ok, well hows about this for a statistic ... in 1981, prince charles got married, so did ken and dierdre (coronation street, tacky brittish soap opera) liverpool finished 5th in the league, having lost 17 games, palace and norwich were relegated, and liverpool won the european cup! to date, all those have happened this year ... the gods are smiling!

Post 18 by Harp (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Wednesday, 25-May-2005 7:54:53

hehehehehehe! well its nailed on now then!

Post 19 by laced-unlaced (Account disabled) on Tuesday, 07-Jun-2005 8:42:11

so now the season's over what do you all think of who will be in the football league next season?